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success, as discussed earlier tonight, can he out-pace clinton? can he be truly transformational in saying what bill clinton was not. don't think the two of them aren't keeping a close watch on the score board. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, just in time for president's day. the gop's home on derange. right now, the president is on his way home from a weekend get away. but he'll return to washington the way he left it, with republicans blocking, opposing and grand standing. but, now, they're admitting the truth behind it all. former speaker newt gingrich let the cat out of the bag when he admitted any immigration bill
put out by the white house will fail. why is that, mr. speaker? >> the obama plan led and driven in this atmosphere with the way he goads the hostility, i think it's very hard to imagine that his bill is going to pass the house. >> so republicans will block any plan because it's an obama plan. because they personally don't like the president. senator marco sprubio called th plan dead on arrival. dead on arrival? the plan includes elements he's in favor of. the difference? president obama's name. then there's senator mccane. fresh off admitting what was ahead of national security. he was asked about his
delusional conspiracy theories on libya. >> he was having a massive cover up. susan rice said there was a lot of confusion. i'm asking do you care -- >> do you care -- i'm asking you. do you care -- i'm asking you, do you care whether four americans died? do you have the reasons for that? shouldn't people be held accountable. >> you said there was a cover up. a cover up of what? >> of the information of concerning the deaths of four brave americans. >> senator mccain has no clue what cover up he's even talking about. and just listen to his buddy, lindsey graham solution to the debt. >> if you want to look at ways to find $1.2 trillion over the next decade, let's look at obama care.
>> oh, yeah, the answer to it all. the answer to all life problems. repeal health care. >> they've said no to every idea i've proposed. every policy i've proposed. even ideas they've traditionally agree withed. we've had situations where they would sponsor bills, i'd say okay, they said oh, if you're okay with it, we're against it. >> it's true. and now members of their own party are letting everyone know what it's all about. it's personal and it ee's despicable. joining me now is former governor ed rendell and michelle cottle. thanks to both of you for being on the show tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> governor rendell, did mr.
gingrich, in effect, spill the beans? >> well, yes and no. if you remember, reverend, i was on your show on thursday or friday and mccain had said basically the same thing. an obama immigration bill would fail. not even concerning himself with what the details were. really, this has been going on since august of 2011. in his estimation, the bill would have created 1.1 million new jobs. and every element had been approved by republicans before, in separate bills. and, yet, every element of it, virtually, was voted down bring the same republican who is had been in favor of it before. and they haven't stopped. but let me tell you, and i said this last week and i think you agree. they're doing this at their own
peril. now, i think it's so clear that they won't agree with anything just because the president supports it, they are killing themselves. >> they backed infrastructure spending, they had no problem with deficit spending under president bush. they also backed financial disclosure and captain trade. all 06 that reversed when president obama opposed any and all of these. >> look, this is an extension with what we saw with mitch mcconnell. they were going to be obstructionist and hold obama to be a one-term president.
just because they failed at that doesn't mean they can stop all of that programming of four years. a lot of people that got stopped in 2010, now, it's not just whether or not they like the president, they were voted in by people who voted against the president. so they have constituents who hate the president in many cases as much as they do and they can't back down. >> governor, talking about they failed in the last election, over the weekend, the governor tagged democrats to socialists. in his speech, he said election day was a body blow to americans. a body blow to freedom. we are against a strategy that's ta taking place by liberals, democrats, whatever they call themselves nowadays, socialists, marxist. this isn't allen west.
this is the senior senator from wisconsin, governor. >> reverend, do you think that's doing the we e republican party one wit of good. ? it's going to make them a smaller party with a narrower and smaller base. >> remember, even though they redistricted to try to protect their members, there were plenty of seats like the congressional seats held by republicans that don't want to hear this, we're against it because the president is for it. >> you know, michelle, it's just outrageous.
you have congressman paul broun sending out a fund raising letter. in it he's touting that he's the first member of congress to call president obama a socialist. and the right wing media has fuell eled this derangement fro the beginning. listen to this, michelle. >> barack does not have his hand on the bible. >> he's not going to succeed. socialism has failed. >> this president has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seeded hatred for white people. >> in obama's america, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering yeah, right on, right on, right on. >> amnesty for illegal aliens. >> if you are going to be president of the united states, you have to be born in this country. >> it's not a traditional america anymore. there are 50% of the voting public who want stuff. they want things.
who is going to give them things? president obama. >> barack obama is a socialist. he believes in socialism in redistributing wealth. >> this is stunning hostility and venom against the president. >> it is stunning. and there was a lot of talk about whether or not the echo chamber served the conservative movement. >> i will say this, people talk about how much obama gets abused. this happened a lot with bill clinton, too. it was pretty vicious right up until they wanted to use bill clinton as the foil for talking about how bad obama was.
but they never asked for bill clinton's birth certificate. >> on top of this, the president of fox news comes out and accuses the president of being devicive the president of fox news actually says -- let me quote him correctly. the president likes to divide people into groups. he's too busy getting the middle class to hate rich people, blacks to hate whites, he is busy trying to get everybody to hate each other. when this president has tried in every way he can to do the opposite of that. >> of course. >> i mean, it's ludicrous. first of all, it's incredibly hip critical for the president of fox news to call nibble devicive. that's the whole game they've been playing sinls they started as a news channel, number one.
but michelle used a very good term, the "echo chamber." they do talk to each other. that one woman in the series of excerpts you cited, that one woman said he wants to redriblt wemt. but they talked to each other so much, they begin to believe their own rhetoric. it is heading down a very danger ousz path. very danger ousz path. >> governor ed rendell and michelle cottle, thank you both for your time tonight. coming up, this 18-year-old mother shot and killed near chicago. hours after her sister watched president obama speak on gun safety. why we must change.
plus, karl rove is talking about witches and praising hillary clinton? maybe it's time to rethink this rebranding campaign. and on president's day we're asking does president obama deserve a spot on mt. rushmore? big president's day show on tap. stay with us. >> we, the people, declare today the most evident of truths, that all of us are created equal. the star that guys us still just as our fore bearers, just as it guided all of those men and women, sung and unsung who left footprints along this great mall to hear a preacher say that we cannot walk alone. to hear a king proclaim that our individual freedom is
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>> but these proposals deserve a vote in congress. they deserve a vote. they deserve a vote. president obama in chicago saying, again, victims of gun violence deserve a vote. somewhere in that crowd behind him was 14-year-old, a student named destiny warren. but just hours after the president's speech, her life was changed forever by a tragic shooting. her big sister, 18-year-old janay mcfarland was shot in the head and murdered in north chicago. another nent victim taken by gun violence. janay was the mother of a three-month-old son, jayden. she was visiting friends and family when she was shot late friday night on her way to the store.
>> she was on track to graduate high school and had planned to study culinary arts after graduation. the bullet was reportedly meant for her friend. janay's death is the latest tragedy in a series of senseless murders across this country. in just the two months since sandyhook, more than 19 american lives have been taken by gun violence. we have to end the epidemic of gun violence in this country. we have to do it for our children. but there is hope. this fight is moving in the right direction. now is the time for change. joining me now is clarencepaige. thanks for being here tonight, clarence. >> thank you, reverend. good to be here. >> janay mcfarland, anotherheartanother heartbreaking case of senseless
gun violence. >> it's one more tragedy on top of the other ones we've had to deal with here recently. the irony here, of course, was, as you mentioned, her sister had just participated in the same ceremony which president obama was speaking and after leaving that event, she goes and hears that her sister has been shot up in chicago. this is ironically similar to the event that they were memorializing here, the killing of a 15-year-old girl in the south side who had been a baton twirler. >> yeah, hadiya pendleton. >> exactly. it's one more tragedy and it adds more fuel to the current ferveer to get some tighter gun control legislation.
so we'll see how this all transpires. >> well, we heard over the weekend, senator john mccain did say he expects broad support on universal background checks. listen. >> senator coburn and mansion and some others who are working on a package that i think most of us will be able to support. i applaud their efforts. and obviously, we want to do everything we can to prevent guns from falling into the hands of people that are mentally unbalanced or unstable. >> that's a step in the right direction, but i don't know that we can get them to take the rest of the walk vrnt it seems, as though he's at least predicting background checks. is that a good forecast? or am i being too opt mystic? >> there seepts to be a building consensus that something needs to be done. se secondly, background checks is a
politically safe issue, even for republicans, all of whom have been voting with the nra, virtually, on the gun control issue. also a majority of nra members saying that they support background checks or don't mind them. you have even the nra itself back in the '90s supported background checks. >> now, he's back pedaled on that. now, there is -- that's oo politically safe issue. the over-sized magazines should be a safe issue. >> so i would say it's a safe prediction.
>> but, yet, the leadership of the nra is still opposed to it. in fact, the president of the nra, david key, in an interview, says new gun legislation is unlikely to pass because, "the difference between today and 15 years ago is that today, guns are cool. i mean, where has he been? i have no idea. >> i think that's really code language from the political fact, since 2000 when al gore lost west virginia after the nra put about $25 million in ads in that state. ef. >> even joe manks wants something done.
they see if there's anything they're going to have to give up, it's going to be that. >> when you see signs of progress all over the country, i'm looking at in colorado today, the house passed four gun control bills. a bill requiring gun purchases to pay the cost of their own background checks cleared the colorado house. the same day the chamber passed bills requiring background checks on private firearm sales and limiting gun magazines to 15 pounds. and this is in colorado which is not a state that has not been pro-gun. >> you mentioned hatiya. watch her mother on this ade. >> a piece of my heart is gone. congress is debating how to fix our gun laws. they can start with background checks for all gun sales.
>> so the fight is on and i think the results are for our children around the country. ip thi i think we have a shot at moving forward, clarence. >> i any so. the thing is the nra has a lot of money and their members are very passionate about this issue. until now, we've seen people who are pro-gun control, progun-safety and haven't been as passionate about it. now i think we're seeing a really bright moment here, if you will, or some kind of common sense reform. >> i do. i see light at the end of the tunnel. i just hope it's not the train coming. >> i hear you. >> clarence, thank you for your
time tonight. >> coming up, she's barack. she's back. sarah palin, the toast of the party. wait until you see where she's headed. and from the appalachian trail to the campaign trail. mark sanford speaking out and it's revealing. and michelle obama reveals what inspired her bangs. happy president's day, everyone. stay with us. >> ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. [ kitt ] you know what's impressive?
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let's take a walk -- or shall i say a hike down memory lane. remember mark sanford? the former governor of south carolina? a strong conservative. a force in the gop. the guy who was talked about for president. but let's be honest. he's really best-known for his bizarre disappearing act in the summer of 2009. for six days, the media, his family and his wife were wondering where he was. sanford told his wife he was hiking the appalachian trail. but, soon after, he came clean. >> you see, the bottom line is this. i've been unfaithful to my wife.
i developed a relationship with a dear, dear friend. it started innocently, which i'm sure many of these things do. i would also apal jazz to my staff. >> but now he's going from the appalachian trail to the campaign trail. he's running for tim scott's vacated house seelt. today, he released his first campaign ad. >> more recently, i've experienced how none of us go through life without mistakes. but in their wake, we can lirn about grace, a god of second chances and be the better for it. in that light, i humbly step forward and ask for your chance in washington. >> well, good luck. and happy trails, mr. sanford. .
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big news for the future of science today. the obama administration is launching an effort to map the human brain and gain new insights into how it works. we applaud the president's initiative. and we hear at "politics nation" are excited to be a part of it. our own crack team of scientists have been hard at work mapping the republican brain to better understand what the heck is going on in there. our initial findings show that tax it cuts for the rich make up a huge percentage of the gop mind. in fact, it's just about 47%. the anti-obama cortex is a key part of the republican brain. those neurons light up whenever the president talks about anything. it's amazing. we've all saw identified two stimulus lows in the gop brain.
one side opposes it while the other side takes credit for it back in their home districts. but our biggest discovery, we were able to confirm the existence of the gop's compromise gland. we've magnified it a thousand times for viewers at home. it's highly under-developed in the republican brain. it's a bit stunted. but it's there. joining me now to discuss our scientific findings are dana millbank and me rearia theresa cubar. dana, let me show you what karl rove said on sunday about tea party republicans. >> the more people who participate, the better off we are. the more we examine these candidates from top to bottom, the more we're like more rand paul. >> karl rove wants more rand paul. i'm stumped.
what is rove thinking? he wants more people. more candidates who think universal health care is slavery. that seat belt laws are nanny state paternalism who would repeal the americans with disabilities act. who says they want to disarm the food and drug administration and abolish the department of education and the federal reserve. more people like him would help the gop? >> do you have a problem with that, reverend? well, first of all, i want to congratulate you on the successful mapping there. i think, however, the compromise gland is vestigule organ, much like the appendix. here's the situation with karl rove. he has gotten himself crossways with the conservatives in the party saying he wants to protect the mainstream candidates. he needs to throw them a bone right now. he's trying to say, it's okay, i
like guys like ranld paul. i just don't like that woman who was a witch in delaware. the problem here, of course, is this, by saying rand paul is the guy we liked, yes, all of those things you're talking about, rand paul gave a speech stating that there wasn't a single action in the last 40 years that he would have approved of. so is that the republican party that karl rove is looking for? i doubt it. >> now, maria theresa, newt gingrich yesterday declared the gop has a technology problem. listen to this. >> they are a super bowl team that we ought to respect deeply. and we are a mid-level college team. you can't just go out and buy this. this is a fundamental rethinking of how you relate to the american people.
>> now, let me get this right. i'm trying to understand the republican brain, maria. >> okay, reverend. i'll try to help. i don't know. >> giving the message, the one that's anti-immigrant, anti-poor, anti-women is going to help them? >> i think what he wants you to understand is that technology is fantastic because it helps you disseminate your policies. but may believe you don't have the public knowing exactly what you're against. and back to what karl rove is doing, i think karl rove recognizes that the tea party did something incredibly well. that was they ran right of center candidate against incumbents in 2010. that's why they're calling foul. they don't like the fact that karl rove is a student of politics and strategy and winning. we have to get back on the map. we have to win statewide
elections, we have to go where the country is going. and that is, in virginia, the majority who believes there's basically a role for government and a role that you're being truthful. >> now, dana, when you look at the fact they're talking about rebranding the right wing, but then i'm looking at the roster of speakers for cpat. here's some of the speakers lined up. just today, we learned sarah palin is going to speak, as well. now, is this the most forward-looking panel they could have advised for a brave new gop? >> yeah, there's a little bit of a contradiction here. now, newt gingrich said maybe a few weeks ago that republicans, here's their problem. they just need to be the happy party. now he's saying it's just a technology problem. maybe it is a technology problem
to make it the happy party and that needs to be achieved with some sort of a pharmaceutical intervention there. but what the line-up at cpac illustrates is that there is something going on other than a message herement they're going to try it every which way to say it is something other than the substance of the issue. i'm delighted to see that sarah palin has found light after fox news and i look forward to covering her speech here in washington. >> democratic strategist, bob schrum. he wrote an article saying he's not quite done with his work yet. he says in the article, in effect, you will have to run out for a third term in the midterms. he will have to say you elected
a president who's on your side? now will you elect a congress on your side so we can move america forward? maria, will the president fight to change the congress as part of his agenda for the second term? >> i mean, the fact that he immediately enlisted ofa now made it a nonpart -- a for-profit organization that basically is trying to mobilize the 16 million voters. he's going to need to get a congress that's friendly to him. that's why you're seeing karl rove say wait a second, we need to go back into new hampshire and have a much more modernist republican party. >> do you have the same diagnosis? >> i hi e think you've done some extensive research on the brain
tonight, but i would recommend lots of bedrest. >> thank you, dr. dana, thank you maria teresa. thanks for your time. ahead on president's day, we're asking who is more deserving of a spot on mount rushmore? president obama? or president reagan? and michelle obama reveals what inspired her bangs. stay with us. it's "politics nation" on msnbc, president's day. to grow, we have to boost our social media visibility. more "likes." more tweets. so, beginning today, my son brock and his whole team will be our new senior social media strategists. any questions? since we make radiator valves wouldn't it be better if we just let fedex help us to expand to new markets? hmm gotta admit that's better than a few "likes." i don't have the door code. who's that? he won a contest online to be ceo for the day. how am i supposed to run a business here
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after all, it's an elite group. we live with these presidents on our tv sets in our living rooms every day for years. they're a strong presence in our lives and they lead to some pretty strong opinions, too. should reagan be on mount rushmor? a lot of republicans think so. should obama be on rush mor? we've talked about that, too. we know this president has his eye on history. he's talked about lincoln as a role model and he's drawn lessons on both what to do and whatnot to do from the presidents of the past. >> doug, you're a part of a select group of historians who have regular dinners with president obama at the white house. how important is history to this president's thinking about his job and his agenda?
>> well, it's unbelievably important. he reads all of the relevant backs, whether it's on eisenhower, f.d.r., l.b.j. he likes to converse on all of these presidencys. you learn about the mistakes and also the advantages that other presidents had. now, lincoln is loved by barack obama because no matter how badly he might have it with congress, lincoln had it worse. i mean the country just being ripped apart. >> u now, a survey came back saying number one was lincoln, two, washington, three, f.d.r., four, teddy roosevelt, five, truman. now, what do all of these presidents have in common? and what does that tell us about
where president obama might ultimately end up? >> all of them have a huge amount of self k69s. they believe in their own gain. you also have to communicate well with the exception of true man, who wasn't that good with media, you know, theodore ro roosevelt was extremely good with cartoonists and novelists and poets. lincoln, writing such eloquent pieces as, you know, the gettysburg address, able to communicate the emotions of the time to the american people. washington was different because he was first: wae wa came in and didn't know what foreign policy he should be. should he be doing business with britain? he didn't know how to organize government. that's why washington usually follows lincoln as number two. >> now, even republicans give
president obama credit for being a great communicator. >> yeah, and i particularly think that last -- the second inaugural barack obama is going to be quite famous. >> and also on the state of the union address. this last one was very well written. some day, somebody could do a book on the speeches of barack obama. >> no, w, if you look at a comparison, a tale of two presidents, you compare the president and his predecessor. president obama is ending two wars. president bush started two wars. president obama got bin laden, bush lost bin laden.
president obama got 63,000 private jobs, president bush lost 63,000 jobs. so if you compare him to his predecessor, yes, a lot of people think he is well on his way to being on a list of great presidents. >> obama care is in mid course. it's going to be a huge accomplishment. and i think president obama has not gotten enough credit for the bailout of general motors. it came out a lot. but that was a pivotal moment when he saved the auto-industry. i think that also might be a big part of a legacy that will keep him ranked towards the top of the presidents.
>> clearly, a good portion of these would only further underscore the top-ranked presidents. >> you know what, reverend, presidents have this revisionism. everyone is looking at dwight eisenhower lately. >> professor, thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks. happy president's day. >> same to you, sir. >> ahead, why every day should be president's day, no matter what your politics. next. all stations come over to mission a for a final go.
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. now, more than ever, we must do these things as a nation. as one people. my fellow americans, we were made for this moment and we will seize it so long as we seize it together. >> president obama calling for unity, urging the country to stand together as one. it's a theme he has hit throughout his presidency. but from the day he took office, we've seen plotting to destroy his work, we've seen disrespect of destruction and personal attacks. today, president's day. today is an honor to respect all of our great country's presidents. but every day should be president's day. the president is the leader of the country. and regardless of your politics
or even your vote in the last election we all must respect the office of the presidency. it's okay to disagree. but it's not okay to be disagreeable. it's not okay to call the president a socialist. it's not okay to point in his face. it's not okay to question his place of birth. it's not okay to claim your number one-on-one goal is to defeat the president. i disagreed with nearly everything the bush a administration did. i questioned the reasons we went to war, i criticized his tax cuts for the rich. i everybody led marches against his administration. but i meant with president bush. i always had respect for the presidency. when we met, it was always mr. president. he was not my choisz and he was certainly